dave asprey:��� hi, everyone. it�sdave asprey with bulletproof radio. you may have noticed something different if you'rewatching the video on youtube or on itunes. if you're listening in your car, you justnoticed the incredibly crisp and clear audio quality. if you're watching at home though,you'll notice that i'm on the beginnings of the new set for bulletproof radio here atbulletproof labs on vancouver island. i have
my first ever live guest, and his name ismax lugavere. max, welcome. max lugavere:�� thanks for having me. dave asprey:��� i'm really stoked becausewe've started the whole day here recording with vice munchies, and i put you throughthe ringer on the biohacking sort of thing.
max lugavere:�� you did, and it was awesome.i really enjoyed it. dave asprey:��� but that�s not whymax is on the show today. max is on the show today because, well, he's making a documentarythat�s really cool, that�s about a subject that�s near and dear to me. we�re goingto talk about that, but first, you�ve already missed your cool fact of the day, haven�tyou? we�ll do our cool facts of the day and then we�re going to talk about his newdocumentary. today�s cool fact of the day is about why your phone number is seven digits.if you go back to the 1950s, the guys at bell labs were looking at what would work best,and they figured out that we could remember on average, seven things.
��� this is still that way for workingmemory today unless you're doing something funky to train your working memory or youjust have an unusually good working memory. what they found though was that if you putthree chunk of item or four chunk of item that you could remember better. they're actuallya quantitative test to see which ones work best. who knew that all that science wentinto your phone number and then, we add area codes that screwed all that up, and then countrycodes. do you know your phone number anymore? it�s all built into these little thingsthat we outsource in that part of your brain, anyway in this working memory retention span. max lugavere:�� it�s true, outsourcedcognition.
dave asprey:��� exactly. dave asprey:��� now, the reason thatwe are recording this podcast today is that you�ve made or let�s say, you're in theprocess of making documentary on alzheimer's disease. max lugavere:�� yes. it�s a film called,bread head. basically, my goal for the film is to be the first ever millennial-focuseddocumentary about the disruptive idea that is dementia prevention. this is a really importanttopic to me. i think it�s actually the most important topic because, you know, our brainsreally are who we are. they manufacture our minds and all of your incredible work in therealm of optimizing cognition and stuff like
that is nothing if there's disease at play.i became obsessed with this topic when three years ago, my mom started showing signs ofcognitive decline. a few people noticed this about me, but i was a programmer in high school.i, in high school attacked my own biology with the same engineer�s framework thatyou have in terms of biohacking and whatnot. for me, i've never been overweight. i've neverreally had to deal with things like arthritis that i know that you have faced and overcome.it was really all about performance for me early on. three years ago, shit became realfor me when my mom started showing these symptoms. dave asprey:��� how old is your mom? max lugavere:�� she was 59 when it allstarted. i used my penchant for understanding
the science and research to really dig intothe science to figure out why a woman of 59 would start showing these symptoms. on theone hand to try to help her if that was even possible, but on the other hand, to preventthis sort of stuff from ever happening to me. i mean, i'm a really creative person.i use my mind. my mind is my currency in life. the idea that one day i could succumb to this,the randomness that is cognitive decline to me was just a horrific fate. ��� what i learned at that time is thatthere are a bunch of myths that many people have about neurodegenerative disease. forone, that it�s a disease of the old. really what they found is that changes begin in thebrain decades before the first symptom, before
that first trip to the neurologist�s officewhere you feel like something is awry with your cognition. that�s like a 30-year diseaseprocess. it�s already set into motion. i just became obsessed with living and eatingin a way that optimizes my brain health because the idea of dementia and cognitive declineto me is unfathomable. dave asprey:��� when i was in my mid-20s,i had cognitive decline. it was noticeable. i measured it in my performance on just asimple working memory task every day that was called freecell, that�s a form of solitaire.some days, i can't remember what i'm doing here. it was very noticeable whether i couldperform or not perform. that was my quantitative measure, and i realized my daily performancewas getting not so good and i really dug in
as well. in my case, it�s because i feltit. in your case, it�s because you saw it and it made you feel that you were vulnerableto it, but both of us are outliers. most people in their mid-20s are already experiencingsome degree of cognitive decline usually from drinking a lot, but already, things aren�tquite as good as they might�ve been when you were 22. it�s just a slow decline untilall of a sudden, you notice it and you start dropping words, and it comes and it goes,but it�s so subtle, you don�t get it. you're looking at alzheimer�s now. ��� i went and i started working withthe silicon valley health institute, working with people two and three times my age becausethey were focusing on the same thing, but
they're trying to reverse damage and i'm like,�i already probably have some of those damage, but i don�t want to undo it.� it turnsout those same techniques increase performance which is an interesting thing that no onetells us. max lugavere:�� yeah, you can. when aresearch out of ucla, dale bredesen comes out with a study where he showed essentiallya reversal of symptoms with patients that were dealing with things like mild cognitiveimpairment or early alzheimer's disease. he put them on a diet that was low in carbohydrates.he supplemented their diets with, in this case, coconut oil or axona. i don�t recallspecifically which one it was, but it optimized their sleep with melatonin. he was makingsure that they were exercising all the time.
��� he published a study where he sawa reversal of cognitive decline. the idea that your cognitive health really was in yourhands to me is an empowering idea. it�s not a notion that i privy to before goingthrough all of these with my mom. i experienced going around the country and visiting variousneurology departments with my mom, what is often described as diagnose and adios. thatto me was just awful. the idea that there are people out there that are spreading thisempowering research, the virtues of mct oil, of things like brain octane, to me it�slike, people need to know about this stuff. dave asprey:�� it�s pretty importantin order to have a brain that works right now, and i don�t think it really matterswhat age you get started, but just getting
stable energy so you can have multiple sourceof energy has changed my brain for the better. you did something interesting with your kickstartercampaign for bread head. you doubled your fundraising goal. max lugavere:�� yeah. who knew peoplecare about their brain health? we did a kickstarter campaign. it wrapped about two months ago.you definitely helped us get the word out, so thank you for that. dave asprey:��� it�s a worthy cause.max lugavere:�� yeah. people really took to it. it�s one of those magical, viralthings that we � our goal is $75,000 because we figured that was enough to really givethe project the jolt that it needed to bring
it to life and we ended up raising double.it was tweeted by, you know, dave asprey. dave asprey:��� some guy. max lugavere:�� it was tweeted by jaredleto and maria shriver, all kinds of celebrities. people were incredibly supportive and it wasawesome. the feedback was overwhelmingly awesome. i was very happy with that. dave asprey:��� there's something happeningnow. people are waking up and they're realizing, �wait a minute. i actually do have controlof my brain health and i have control of the rest of my biology, too.� there's a studyout there, you�ve probably come across in your research that says, �neuroplasticityincreases when you know about neuroplasticity.�
it was basically knowing that you can changeyour brain lets you change your brain. if you believe intelligence is fixed, you cannotincrease your intelligence. once you believe its variable, then suddenly, your intelligencecan change. max lugavere:�� it�s amazing. dave asprey:��� it�s awesome. max lugavere:� yeah. dave asprey:��� it�s also importantto maintain your intelligence, that you don�t damage it with toxins. in moldy, the documentary,by the way a quick plug, that would be moldymovie.com. 50,000 people have seen it and we just wrappedup our free screening, but it�s totally
worth checking out all of the clips and stuff.in that, daniel amen said you can lose 15 iq points. your iq might be 130, you get exposedto � breathe toxins, in this case, moldy toxins in the air and then, your iq mightgo down to 115. you're still smarter than average, but you're not where you were before.if you're dealing with an older person or any person, it doesn�t matter if there arethings inhibiting mitochondrial respiration in the brain, it can have an impact and ifyou're already in the cognitively weak position, that you're starting to suffer from some ofthese effects of ageing or these diseases of aging, that could be the straw that breaksthe camel�s back so to speak. max lugavere:�� it�s so interesting,and based on your research, i'm so excited
to watch your documentary but then also tolearn more because fungi whatever i learned recently is a kingdom as diverse as the plantkingdom and the animal kingdom. mushrooms, they can either put you on a hallucinogenictrip. they can actually enhance your brain function. there's great random control trialsout there that show the lion�s mane mushroom can actually slow the decline and reduce symptomsof mild cognitive impairment. it can improve symptoms. dave asprey:��� isn�t that ridiculousthat just a simple mushroom could do that? max lugavere:� it�s just a simple mushroom. dave asprey:��� even the hallucinogenicones like amanita muscaria and some of the
other ones. psilocybin can do very beneficialthings for the brain when used very occasionally and therapeutically rather than recreationally. max lugavere: yup. dave asprey:�� it�s shocking that wehaven�t paid more attention to this in just overall history of medicine. it�s just whateverantibiotics we can get, but there are all these other compounds that come out of thisthat are really important. max lugavere:�� yeah like penicillin,exactly. it�s the most common medicinal mushroom although there are so many others.we've only discovered a small fraction of the mushrooms that are out there. a few peoplerealize this, but a huge percentage of our
pharmaceuticals come from mushrooms. it�sreally interesting. the point is that i don�t doubt that mold can have a destructive impacton your health. then again, as you mentioned earlier, it also makes cheese. dave asprey:��� it�s not like moldis bad because our soil is based on it, our food is based on it and we�d be surroundedby dead bodies without it. that�s just one thing. it was my opportunity to plug the moldymovie. what i want to talk with you more about was your calling your documentary bread head,so, hmm. one of the bulletproof recommendations is really don�t eat grains. max lugavere:� yup.
dave asprey:��� that isn�t just wheat,but most of the other grains as well. there's a bunch of reasons for that, but why specificallyare you looking at the brain and alzheimer's disease, and grains and not just gluten?max lugavere:�� yeah, it�s a great question. i see whole-grain bread as being the ultimateprocessed food masquerading as a health staple. dave asprey:��� i agree. max lugavere:�� yeah, it�s true. ifyou recognize the fact that your average slice of whole-grain bread has a higher glycemicindex than table sugar and pure sucrose, there's that. it affects your blood sugar quite profoundly.the cdc in 2012 ascertained that bread and rolls were america�s number one source ofdietary sodium. now, i know that sodium in
a lot of people does not lead to high bloodpressure, but i think it�s really the sodium to potassium balance that�s most important. dave asprey:��� and magnesium, right? max lugavere:�� and magnesium. essentially,when we think of processed foods, we think of foods that are really high in salt andreally high in sugar. bread has those makings, those markings of a processed food. not tomention the fact that bread is replete with gluten, which is an alien protein that inducesgut permeability in every body that is toxic for everybody. dave asprey:��� no, no. didn�t youhear? there's some study that said only people
with celiac need to do it, like you're supposedto be angry and say, �i eat gluten because i can take it.� �are you saying there'sa study that refutes that, max? max lugavere:�� here's the thing. i don�tthink that everybody is necessarily going to get sick from gluten. dave asprey:��� yeah, that�s true. max lugavere:�� i've done an interviewwith one of the most renowned researchers in this field and he stated that gluten istoxic for everybody, but not everybody�s going to get sick from it. the same way thatyour body is fighting an invisible war with countless microorganisms on a daily basis,even mold and you are none the wiser to those
battles because you�ve got a great immunesystem and you're doing things to counteract the susceptibility to those toxins. glutenis no different. it induces low-grade inflammation in everybody because it lets things past thegut lining that shouldn�t get past it. whether or not it affects you now or decades intothe future, i mean, inflammation can have an insidious effect. it can build up overtime. my mom who grew up in new york, to her, eating a bagel was always vastly healthierthan an egg because the cholesterol in eggs that clog your arteries and � dave asprey:��� i thought that too asa kid. max lugavere:�� you know? it�s justa really pervasive problem that i think we
need to fight. the reason i brought up mymom is because she actually tested positive for gluten antibodies and to this day doesnot have gastrointestinal side effects from consuming a bagel like that. the researchshows you that you can have neurological effects from gluten that are extraintestinal. theyrecently connected als to celiac disease. i just think it�s like we�re really atthe tip of the iceberg. there's a lot that is yet undiscovered, but we do also currentlyknow a lot and we know enough to protect our brain health to the best of our ability, andi think that�s a battle worth fighting. dave asprey:��� if someone were to say,�i love cherry turnovers. i�ll eat them now,� as a long-term health strategy, you'resaying maybe that�s not optimal.
max lugavere:�� it�s not because ofthe fact that it induces gut permeability in everybody. dave asprey:��� in everybody, right? max lugavere:�� in everybody. dave asprey:��� but i like them. thisis the kind of level of discourse that it comes through, �i'm strong and it�s notgoing to make me sick.� when i hear that, i actually feel sad for people because thereisn�t really a rational conversation to have with someone who�s taken that perspective.they're going to do whatever the self-destructive path they choose to do, and maybe it won�tbe self-destructive but it isn�t one that
leads to optimal strength and resilience either. max lugavere:�� right, right. in thatmoment, they're listening to the labrador brain, as you always say. i think it�s constantlythe battle between the prefrontal cortex and that reptilian brain that just wants thingsthat are sweet, that provide that instant gratification, but that also makes you sick.the body prefers short-term survival over long-term health. we need to think about ourlong-term health in the choices that we make at the kitchen table. dave asprey:��� it�s true, but let�sface it. long-term health, all these years running the silicon valley health instituteand a lot of people think about long-term
health when it runs out, when they're 59.max lugavere:�� yeah, it�s a problem. yeah. dave asprey:��� why wasn�t your motherthinking about her long-term health before this? max lugavere:�� the problem is my mom� my mom was. she was health conscious, but she is from an era where the recommendationsfrom forces larger than herself were hard to ignore, but counter opinions were simplynot available because the media channels were less. she didn�t have the internet. i thinkthat today, we�re at a unique time where we�re at this interesting apex where wehave enough research and the fact that technology
really has led to this democratization ofinformation, and we don�t have to rely on the government. we don�t have to rely onthe usda. we don�t even have to rely on our local doctors to get the truth out there. ��� we�re at a really interestingtime where we actually can make informed choices for ourselves. that�s what i'm trying todo with bread head is that i'm trying to like, you know, i'm not demonizing anyone food groupnecessarily more than i am just providing the information so that people can make thischoice for themselves. in the kickstarter teaser that went viral, i posed a questionat the beginning, �one of america�s most feared disease is the choice that we makeat checkup.� as long as you're making that
choice, as long as you're aware of that choice,then make the choice and your fate is in your hands. that�s the best that we can do asteachers. dave asprey:��� it�s one of the reasonsthere's a bulletproof diet roadmap. it�s exactly that. if you don�t have a roadmap,you just go there and you're being health conscious, but you're probably making decisionsbased on false assumptions. you might be a rational actor. you're going to do the goodthing and you'll eat masses of rock and hail, and nothing else if you believe that�s what'sgoing to make you stronger. if it works, that�s great. if the data you have is flawed or you'reeating whole-grain bread like i used to as a kid when i was fat and my brain didn�twork very well not knowing that it has morphine
opiate-like effect in the brain. ��� you just do this and you're doingit over the course of a lifetime and you were paying attention to your long-term health,you were being health conscious and you were getting the exact opposite of what you bargainedfor because you didn�t have the tools especially 20, 30 years ago to track what the effectof these things were on your biology. we have the tools now. if someone can tell you todo something and you can try it. if it doesn�t work after six months or after a year, youcan say, �all right, maybe that person is,� and this is what people would say, �they�rea con artist, a scammer, a snake oil, a quack.� those are all ad hominem attacks. those arebs.
��� what's going on is the person waswrong. being wrong is very different than being a con artist. those aren�t words thati use towards even the doctors, the low-fat extremists, the ones who were responsiblein part for my obesity. i don�t think that they're quacks. i don�t think that they'recon artists or scammers even though some of them have made enormous amounts of money offpedaling this low-fat, basically low-calorie nonsense. but what they are is people tryingto help; they're just not helping. max lugavere:�� yeah, and a lot of themare misled. as you know, nutritional training in medical school is next to nothing. u.s.medical schools, their curriculums ignore exercise for the most part. there was a studyrecently that came out where they assessed
the amount of exercise training that futurem.d.s were getting and it was next to nothing despite the fact that exercise can preventand treat so many diseases. i think that they're just uninformed, but then also like nutritionalscience itself is pretty confusing. the other day, i saw a study that they were feedingmice high-fat, low sugar that a lot of the times, they�ll research the effects of saturatedfat by combining it with sugar, so you really get no sense of the impact of each variable. dave asprey:��� it�s hydrogenatedsaturated fat. max lugavere:�� hydrogenated saturatedfat. i've actually done a research to look into the rat chow that they give these rats.when they test the effects of dietary fat
on their lipid markers for example, they usecorn oil. i mean, nutritional science is in such a weird state. it�s impossible to dothis kind of research with the long term with humans that�s why i really respect the workthat gary taubes and peter attia are doing with nusi because they're really looking toraise money to do better research. dave asprey:��� gary was just on andthey just raised like $40 million. max lugavere:� wow.dave asprey:�� which is, i think from the arnold foundation and i'm like, �yougo, gary,� because that kind of work is going to shed some light on this and maybewe�re both wrong and we really should be eating a tofu-based, low-fat diet becausethe evidence is very much against that now.
i would be shocked because i can look at theeffect on testosterone, the effect on inflammation and all these things, those don�t work.maybe, there's some magic group of people where those work sustainably and they don�tsuck energy and willpower. i think that gary�s work is going to help get to the bottom ofobesity and we can really solve some of these problems. recently, i think it was a pharmaceuticalsales rep said something in the wall street journal about how coconut oil and exerciseand diet aren�t going to cure alzheimer�s. we need drugs. what do you say to people likethat who are just either untrained or unaware that lifestyle factors affect ageing? max lugavere:� i remain open-minded to allsides. i'm willing to have a conversation
with the author of that article in the wallstreet journal. he works with an organization that works to look for a fund � they fundpharmaceutical research for cure for alzheimer's disease. there are many hypotheses as to why� dave asprey:�� notice i didn�t correctany of those because i've no idea. max lugavere:�� there are a few ideasas to why alzheimer's disease develops. one of those is an amyloid hypothesis that thisbuildup of this toxic protein amyloid beta in the brain is really the beginning of alzheimer'sdisease and ultimately what leads to the neuronal death. that�s one idea. he does not seemopen to the idea of prevention via a dietary and lifestyle modifications.
dave asprey:�� he knows what causes amyloidplaques to form a � ? max lugavere:� you know, they don�t know. dave asprey:��� it must not be dietor lifestyle. max lugavere:� right. dave asprey:��� it might have nothingto do with � max lugavere:�� he basically � yeah. dave asprey:��� where does this researchgo? we need a drug, but we don�t know how we got there. max lugavere:�� right. while i do thinkthat his sentiment that more money needs to
go into pharmaceutical research, i think thatis fine. i agree with that. we also need to focus on the idea of prevention because anounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. once you realize the fact that once you areshowing your first symptoms, this is a 30-year disease process already set into motion. tome, the imperative is there. it�s clear. we need to be having this conversation aboutprevention. it begins in the brain before any of the features of alzheimer's diseaseincluding this plaque buildup, including memory dysfunction is what's called glucose hypometabolism. dave asprey:��� interesting. max lugavere:� yeah, impaired glucose metabolismin the brain. that stems from, who knew, insulin
resistance in the brain, in the most metabolicallyhungry organ in your body. dave asprey:�� i've definitely read aboutalzheimer�s as type 3 diabetes. do you like that name? do you prescribe that or do that? max lugavere:�� it�s a hypothesis, butit�s a hypothesis for which there is a lot of corroborating evidence. i didn�t cointhis term. this is a term coined by a researcher at brown university, and there is ample evidenceto suggest that this might be in fact true. that�s part of the reason why in trials,mct oil has been shown to help alleviate symptoms of alzheimer's disease. just last year, theytested an insulin nasal spray which � dave asprey:��� an insulin nasal spray.
max lugavere:�� an insulin nasal spray. dave asprey:��� how does an insulinnasal spray � you went from talking about mct to an insulin nasal spray. i totally missedthe connection there. max lugavere:�� the connection is thatmct oil provides ketones to ailing mitochondria. mitochondria that can no longer utilize glucoseeffectively because they become deaf to insulin which is the signaling hormone that alertsyourself to the fact that there's sugar to feed them. mct oil provides an alternate fuelsource like a hybrid car. an alternate and cleaner burning fuel source for these cellsthat are no longer able to properly utilize glucose. insulin can help because insulinprovides a louder knock onto the mitochondria
of those cells, so that they can at leastsome more glucose. dave asprey:��� you probably didn�tknow this, but just every one of the biohacks that i put you through in the biohacking labdownstairs today increases mitochondrial efficiency, hopes to grow new ones, makes them work better,and a lot of the supplement recommendations that i make on the bulletproof site and someof the things that i manufacture even are there to support healthy mitochondrial functionbecause screw alzheimer�s. you're not going to feel good after a night of drinking ifyour mitochondria aren�t doing well. you're not going to perform well on your next test.your brain won�t do what it�s capable of doing if your mitochondria don�t work.they're the spark of life.
max lugavere:�� yeah. your brain at restis using as much energy as a leg muscle running a marathon. people, when they think abouttype 2 diabetes, they think about it as this black and white diagnosis, right, that yourhemoglobin a1c is at a point at which your doctor makes a diagnosis. you're either pre-diabeticor you�ve got a full-blown type 2 diabetes. the truth is that it�s actually, it�sa spectrum. you can show signs of insulin resistance in various organs of your body.you can be insulin resistant in your brain. you can be insulin resistant in your arm.the fact that your brain is so energy hungry, that it uses 20% of your base metabolic rate,it doesn�t take a neuroscientist to realize that when there's something metabolicallyawry going on in your body, you're going to
have an impingement on brain health and cognition. dave asprey:��� there's another guyand i apologize i'm not remembering who it is. it�s either daniel amen or john gray,and i've read two books in the last couple of weeks, one by each of them and i'm justswapping in my brain which one write about this idea of creative type add where somebrains might require more energy than others. i'm pretty sure it�s one of those two authors.if you have a high-energy brain, you're probably going to feel cognitive declines earlier inlife if you don�t feed it right or you get insulin resistance. who knows? maybe you'remore likely to get alzheimer's disease much later in life, but this idea that the brainis hungry for energy, you better give it energy
makes sense. what about then if you're ona low-calorie diet and you're struggling with these symptoms of alzheimer�s or 30 yearsbefore alzheimer�s that you're dealing with this insulin resistant thing? is there a problemif there's just not enough calories for the brain to function? max lugavere:�� no. it�s really aboutinsulin sensitivity which you can enhance by going on a low carbohydrate diet. exerciseis one of the greatest things that you can do for insulin sensitivity. there are otherfactors that you can use to bolster the situation. cocoa flavanols has been shown to increaseinsulin sensitivity. essentially, if you want me, i'm in.
dave asprey:��� i got some good, darkchocolate here for you. max lugavere:�� amazing. these cocoa flavanolsare incredible for you. dave asprey:��� there you go. normally,i don�t really eat on bulletproof radio. surprisingly, this isn�t bulletproof chocolate.this is a single estate super clean chocolate that comes out of new york. i'm going to beputting this in one of my upcoming quarterly boxes. if you don�t know about the daveasprey quarterly box, go to quarterly.com. this is epically � max lugavere:�� good job. oh, my god. dave asprey:��� � the same guys whoown the plantation process the beans, and
these are the sorts of things that i sourcethem. it�s so good. max lugavere:�� it�s the bomb. dave asprey:��� you're basically suggestingthat we could use cocoa flavanols to influence brain health? max lugavere:�� absolutely, yeah. dave asprey:��� man, life is tough. max lugavere:�� there's research that� there's evidence that it can reverse age-related cognitive decline. it�s just incrediblefor you. dave asprey:��� did that look scripted?
max lugavere:�� no. i totally wasn�tplanning this. dave asprey:��� i had no idea we�regoing to talk about cocoa flavanols. i just happen to have really good chocolates in frontof me. max lugavere:�� dave, you know that you'rea great pitchman. you should come � we should pitch some content together. dave asprey:��� all right. let�s doit. we�ll go talk to vice. max lugavere:�� let�s talk to vice.these are all the things that you can be doing, so that�s why i have adopted for myselfa low carb diet. i used to believe that the more whole grains i ate, the better my healthwould be. i worked out a lot. i was never
dealing with weight problems and the like,but i used to feel sluggish after meals. once i did this research for myself, it was veryblack and white to me, you know, the way that i should eat for the brain. the dietary patternfor which the most evidence exists that is neuroprotective is the mediterranean diet,which is because the mediterranean diet incorporates grains; it doesn�t mean that it can't beimproved on. the mediterranean diet is an inherently higher fat diet. dave asprey:��� they don�t actuallyidentify what the mediterranean diet is because i have seen radically different people write,�oh, this is mediterranean.� i'm like, �actually, no. that doesn�t look mediterraneanto me.� it was 40% grains versus having
a little bit of grain. i think mediterraneandiet is like this amorphous mass. �that�s like eat olive oil. max lugavere:�� you're absolutely right.yeah, yeah. you're absolutely right. dave asprey:��� or a salad with feta. max lugavere:�� right. dave asprey:��� other than that � max lugavere:�� you're 100% right. �wildcod fish � by the way, since getting to this island, i've been eating tons of wildsalmon. it�s amazing. dave asprey:��� i love moving here.
max lugavere:�� yeah, it�s so great.god, what a life. there's that, there's olive oil. extra virgin olive oil has a compoundand it�s called oleocanthal. it�s almost medicinal in its health effects. it�s amazing.it�s what's responsible for that peppery feeling at the back of the throat. it�sbeen shown in studies to clear brains of that amyloid plaque that builds up in the brainas well as selectively causing cancer cells to commit suicide. dave asprey:��� you can damage thosecompounds by heating your olive oil. it�s one of those oils that really, you got toput on your salad like a steak tagliata or tagliatelle, what you put on your steak afteryou cook it. i'm always sad when people take
olive oil, which is probably counterfeit anywaybecause 69% of olive oil has canola in it in the average store. max lugavere:�� yeah. dave asprey:��� when you get real oliveoil, use it medicinally. use it in its whole raw form because that changes how it affectsthe body. you're talking the good stuff and you just want to make sure it�s intact whenyou use it. max lugavere:�� it�s super smart andabsolutely true. a lot of the health benefits of foods do get lost in the cooking processand i know you talked about this in your book. for example, even a slight cut of grass-fedbeef, you cook it on a grill and it, and you
char the hell out of it, you're actually creatingadvanced glycation end products on the surface of the meat. you don�t want to drive yourselfcrazy, i think, but these are all the things that you just need to be mindful of. dave asprey:��� even the habit of throwingyour meat on the grill overnight, and that habit leads to heterocyclic amines and pahs,and some of these other toxic bi-products or age formation. i've seen a couple of studiesaround age. some say that eating them is bad, some say that eating them is not that bigof a deal. when they form in your body when you eat high sugar, they're always bad. max lugavere:�� yes.
dave asprey:��� this complex of basicallycancer causing, brain inflammation causing things that come from burning your meat regularly,it doesn�t mean you can never enjoy barbecue. it just means that if choose to eat it everysingle night or eat it frequently without knowing � even as your choice for flavorthat�s one thing. if you're like, �i want to be old and i want to look good and feelgood 20 years from now or 30, 40 years from now,� knowing that and acknowledging it,but not making � it doesn�t have to be perfect, but just changing the direction butnot perfection. max lugavere:�� right. people can livehow they want to live. live and let live is a fair perspective to usually preach thesesorts of ideals, but knowing what you know,
i feel like there's a responsibility to disseminatethese ideas because not everybody is going to spend all day on pubmed on the way thati do and i'm sure you do. the responsibility comes with being really into this research,having a knack for it, being able to communicate it, but also letting people make their owndecisions. i've had to � i can't even tell you, man, like attempting to undo decadesof dietary dogma with my mom. it�s impossible. it�s impossible. she just has ideas abouthealth that i can't change no matter how hard i try. at the end of the day, i just haveto be like, �you know what? i've done this research and here's my perspective and theperspective of the best medical evidence available today.� if she doesn�t want to adhereto it, i can't let it affect the relationship.
dave asprey:��� here's the tough thing.i haven�t been able to change my grandmother, but she's 90-something and she's going todo what she's going to do. most of the rest of my family in their 60s or 70s have madedietary changes based on the bulletproof diet, partly okay now, �there's a new york timesbestselling author in the family. maybe we should pay attention.� even before that,since we go to the family reunion and i'd make them bulletproof coffee. that�s nota pitch for bulletproof coffee, but it�s that they could feel the difference. it�slike, �whoa! my brain feels a little bit different. i like how i feel.� it�s onething to go like, �if you do this, 20 years from now, you're going to like how you feel.�we suck as organisms with long feedback windows.
a one-minute feedback window is an eternityto elaborate on your brain. at 30-year or 20-year, it�s invisible. ��� rationally, you know you shouldbut in terms of behavior change, it doesn�t motivate most people unless they have a reallybig motivator like seeing it happen to a family member. for the rest of us though let�ssay you're 25 and you're hearing this. you're like, �alright. i might get alzheimer�swhen i'm old, but that�s so far away. i've so many more important things like the attractiveblonde across the way.� what advice would you offer for someone who�s earlier in life?what can i do that�s not burdensome and not annoying that�s going to reduce theirchances of getting alzheimer�s later in
life? max lugavere:�� i can't understate theimportance of exercise, which leads to the expression of profound neurotrophic proteinsin the brain. dave asprey:��� what kind of exerciseare we talking about? max lugavere:�� aerobic exercise. dave asprey:��� like jazzercise? max lugavere:�� like jazzercise. dave asprey:��� if you're under 40,you don�t even know what jazzercise is. would you know what jazzercise is?
max lugavere:�� vaguely. dave asprey:��� i just wasn�t updatingmyself. it must've been the �80s or something, i don�t know. i was a young teenager whenthis was popular. adults would put on leotards, men and women apparently. they would get inthese groups of people, kind of like a modern aerobics class but they would do lame jazzyweird dance moves. it was probably the beginning of the aerobics exercise, but i still laughat it because if you see those �80s videos of people in headbands and leg warmers, thatwas jazzercise. when you say aerobic exercise, like how intense and how long is what i'mreally asking. max lugavere:�� the more you can do, thebetter.
dave asprey:��� really? so, 10 milesa day of running? max lugavere:�� you don�t want to overtrain. you got to listen to your body. by doing aerobic exercise, you actually grownew neurons. you grow new brain cells just by doing aerobic exercise. in fact, you�vegot neurons in your eyes, so doing exercise is great for your eyes as well, for the neuronsin your eyes. dave asprey:��� you say aerobic exercise,but what about yoga which also affects your eyes and affects your neurons, and your bdnfand all that. why aerobic versus strength versus movement versus functional movementversus weightlifting? max lugavere:�� weightlifting has alsoproven to be effective in reducing your risk
for things like dementia. we don�t knowthe reason why one versus another, you know, it probably has something to do with brainperfusion. dave asprey:��� you do know that aerobicsoutperforms weight training for bdnf or brain-derived neurotrophic factor? max lugavere:�� i can tell you that theresearch has been done with aerobic exercise. dave asprey:��� oh, okay, because that'swhat's been cool for the past 30 years. max lugavere:�� whether or not yoga hasthe same effect, i don�t know. that has not been studied to my knowledge, but i doknow that aerobic exercise appears to be great for your brain health. it increases bloodflow everywhere in the body.
dave asprey:��� increasing blood flowabsolutely is important. the reason i'm pushing on this is that the bulletproof recommendationsare for your cardio to increase to ejection fraction which is the amount of blood yourheart can pump on a single beat basis which is a great measure of cardiac fitness. thebest single most effective way to do that is to go for a 400-meter sprint. you basicallyrun like a tiger is chasing you until you're done and then walk through the wild and doit again until you basically throw up, and that takes about 10 to 15 minutes for theaverage person. max lugavere:�� if i had to make an educatedguess, i would say that that is probably just as beneficial for your brain health.
dave asprey:��� i tend to think so aswell, but i'm wondering because you�ve dug more in on this aerobic exercise brain connectionthan i have. max lugavere:�� yeah. in general, allexercise is good for your brain, which in and of itself is a counterintuitive concept.the research really has shown that with aerobic exercise, you not only up regulate bdnf expressionwhich is brain-derived neurotrophic factor and it ensures the survival of not only existingneurons but creates and promotes the creation of new brain cells. it feels good, all kindsof feel good endorphins. it also increases insulin sensitivity. it�s really an incredibleboom for not only your cardiovascular health but also your brain health.
dave asprey:��� if you are doing thisevery day, every other day, what's the ideal prescription for this? max lugavere:�� the more you do whilelistening to your own body without overtraining, the better. people with an increased geneticrisk for alzheimer�s can negate the genetic risk by doing exercise. i really think thatit�s a personal thing as far as brain health goes. you'd have to listen to your body. youdon�t want to over train. in general, being less sedentary � dave asprey:��� yeah, moving arounda lot is really important. max lugavere:�� yeah, it�s incrediblefor your brain health. i also think that you
want to balance that with some really serioussleep. sleep is incredibly beneficial for the brain for a multitude of reasons. i reallydo think that, especially young people who find themselves increasingly just glued totheir smartphones, and i'm guilty of this as well, i think that the smartphone use atnight has a destructive effect. dave asprey:��� i got to show you somethingcool. max lugavere:�� okay. dave asprey:��� on my iphone is a zentech filter, and this is something that i manufacture. it is invisible. you can't reallysee it, but what it�s doing is it�s filtering out just a narrow spectrum of blue. the spectrumof blue that most suppresses melatonin.
max lugavere:�� wow. dave asprey:��� you can still see colorson your phone during the day. it doesn�t filter every spectrum of blue like an orangescreen on the phone would do that more effectively, but it does take out the worst parts. it�sa harm reduction strategy that lets you still, �okay. i'm going to look at my phone asan alarm clock,� for instance. you can do that. i�ll arrange to ship you a zen techsleepshield and we just launched that maybe two months ago, but it�s one of the thingsthat's not perfect. if you're going to look at your phone, and let�s face it, you probablyare going to look at your phone, you might as well not turn off your melatonin when youdo it.
max lugavere:�� a hundred percent. it�sincredibly important. your brain can tell the difference between looking at your smartphoneat night and the sun being out, that we know from a study done this year that using ane-reader before bed shortens the amount of time spent in rem sleep. it makes it may takelonger to actually fall asleep. filtering out the blue light, i think is incredible.we know that sleep is just incredible for the brain in many ways. memory consolidation,your memories are being consolidated when you go to sleep. i actually just did a vlogabout this on my youtube channel, youtube.com/maxlugavere and the incredible lymphatic system, the ductsin your brain that your brain uses to clean itself during your slow wave phase of sleep.it�s incredible. all of these insights are
incredibly empowering and what can i say?neurodegenerative diseases are just shrouded in doom and gloom. it doesn�t have to beso gloomy. it�s not all doom. i think that we've got enough insights today where we canreally make a dent in this category of diseases. dave asprey:��� when we talk about allthese different things that in studies have effects on brain health, and you look at doingall of them to some extent, not doing any of them perfectly and you stack it up againstsomeone who says, �we need a drug for alzheimer�s,� it just makes you bewildered to look at thatrespect and we do want a drug for alzheimer�s. but, the approach of do everything that�sgoing to help now, well, maybe we�ll have a drug later if they're even right, that amyloidplaques are the cause and not just a symptom
of something else like eating crap all thetime. max lugavere:�� yeah. this has becomethe story of my life and you hit the nail on the head so perfectly. i mean, i actuallythink that that article that came out and i'm sure you can find a way to link to itwas actually anti-scientific because there is research that came out this year from thekarolinska institute in the finger study. dave asprey:��� i hear they have thehottest doctors at the karolinska institute. my wife, dr. lana is trained at the karolinskainstitute, so that was a shout out to my wife and everyone out there. the swedish bikiniteam all went to the karolinska institute. max lugavere:�� i've never been, but iwould love to go and find a wife from there.
yes, they announced the results of the studythis year. it�s the first ever randomized controlled trial where they apply to a batteryof lifestyle modifications and dietary modifications on one group that they did not give to theother group. the group where they had all this different interventions face a much slowerrate of cognitive decline. in fact, some of them saw a reversal of symptoms. i think thatthat study is definitely worth looking up. the idea that our lifestyle and dietary factorsdon�t matter to me is just an absurd concept. when you realize that this underutilizationof glucose begins before any of these features, then the impetus there to me is really tomake sure that your cells are as insulin sensitive as possible.
��� the type 3 diabetes hypothesis reallyto me is very empowering because type 2 diabetes we know it�s a lifestyle disease. we knowit�s a disease reaching epidemic proportions here � well, we�re not in the states rightnow, but in the states. many emerging economies are seeing type 2 diabetes rates with epidemicproportions. this is from the industrialization of food, the rise of fast food in countriesthat have maybe been resistant to that up until now, the blood sugar epidemic, the epidemicof desk jobs and the like. to me, it�s tragic and it�s avoidable. the idea that our brainhealth can falter to these same factors, to me it�s scary but it�s also incrediblyempowering. dave asprey:��� it gives you more control,but with that control comes responsibility,
right? dave asprey:��� i asked, who was it,craig venter, the guy behind the human genome project. he gave this great talk at a peterdiamante event and i've had a chance to spend some time with peter. he wrote a blurb forthe bulletproof diet book. he's one of those guys launching things into space, and justlooking at really big things. craig, on stage is saying, �we have all this science coming.in five more years, we�re going to know this.� i said, �all right. craig, 14 millionpeople have downloaded bulletproof radio. given the set of knowledge you have now, whatshould we do today that has the best chance of working even if we don�t know for sureor should we all just have pizza and beer,
and not worry about it?� ��� what craig said was funny. he said,�let�s talk about it over pizza and beer.� afterwards, we had a longer conversation.he said, �you know, dave, i don�t want to make recommendations that aren�t correct.it is part and partial to my belief in science and all that. the problem is that correctis asymptotic. asymptotic, it means that you can approach something but you can never quiteget there because we think it�s correct. the model for motions of the planets, well,it works pretty well except it�s not actually correct. it�s a model. i'm concerned thateven once we completely take a part of the human genome all the way, and i'm signed upto do that.
��� i'll be one of the first in a thousandor so people to have my genome sequenced. once we do that, we forget about the exposome.the exposome is the set of all the environmental variables that your genome was exposed tothroughout the course of your life. that�s kind of hard to track, but that�s exactlywhat you're hitting at here saying, �well, we don�t know all that and we probably neverwill, but we can say, �we know this does this, so give me more of this and less ofthis.� that�s the same reason, that�s why there's a roadmap but not a set of edictson the bulletproof diet. that perspective is new. max lugavere:�� we have to adhere to thescience, but we also shouldn�t let science
limit us. these long-term nutritional studieswith humans, they're so difficult to do and animal studies can only get us so far especiallywhen you realize that a lot of these studies as we�re learning fats and lipids, and thingslike that are done with corn oil and done with crazy confounding variables like saturatedfat and sugar. you really have to dig into the research. that being said, there are scientistsout there that are doing incredible work and there is insight out there that really, youknow, those that illuminate how we might eat for better health; cardiovascular health,brain health. dave asprey:��� i think for everyone,it does. there's a confounding thing. we've got in the ornish camp saying you need toeat no fat essentially at very, very low levels
of fat and a diet rich in whole grains. they�llsight studies... max lugavere:�� for example, a study cameout � i saw a study headline grace my desktop and my facebook newsfeed a couple of weeksago that said that a high carbohydrate diet provides the same benefits as calorie restriction. dave asprey:��� what the hell? max lugavere:�� that was the headline.you look in the study. first of all, it�s an animal study and second of all, the study,they were feeding animals. 80% of their calorie intake was from protein. dave asprey:��� those are high carbohydrateprotein based studies?
max lugavere:�� that was their control.it was a high protein, low carb diet like super, super high protein. as you know, youdon�t have to get a high protein diet. dave asprey:��� i know. it messes youup. max lugavere:�� yeah. they matched thatagainst a really high carbohydrate diet. the high carbohydrate diet in that case did betterthan the super, super, super high protein diet. that was an animal study and i justthink it wasn�t sound. i actually sent that to my researcher friend, �what do you guysthink of this?� he was like, �you would never in a human diet approach that levelof protein and that actually can create issues.� dave asprey:��� yeah, like kidney problemsand ammonia levels. it makes you cranky and
tired, and puts you in an adrenal state soyou yell at people all the time. it�s not good to overdo protein. max lugavere:�� right. the idea that metabolicmarkers on a high carbohydrate diet would then prove to me it�s just like it doesn�tmake any sense. dave asprey:��� i also take issue withstudies even if you're looking at alzheimer�s or brain health or whatever other outcome.when they talk about a high fat diet, it is meaningless to talk about fat. it turns outone of the medium-chain fats, and the term medium-chain was done by a chemist countingcarbons, but not a biochemist, so he had no idea what actually went where, what was processedby the liver, what wasn�t. there's been
a little trickery of people who are saying,�oh, lauric acid, the most common, cheap part of coconut oil is a medium-chain.�it is legally, but metabolically, it�s not a true medium chain. it�s a chemical mediumchain, but not a biological medium chain. it�s interesting because once it bypassthe liver, they go straight to energy in the brain are the ones that make you feel thebest, for sure. the other sneaky medium chain no one talks about is c6. this is a fat thatis highly irritating to your mucosa. ��� if you don�t get all of it outof a refined coconut oil, it actually causes disaster events. a high-fat diet, technically,it could all be c6. if you ate that, it would mess you up on so many different levels likeyou basically couldn�t get out of the bathroom.
there are evidences of high-fat diets or highsaturated fat diets make you crap your pants. you could construct a study that way comparedto a pure corn syrup diet. corn syrup is better than high fat, but ... number one, the factthat it�s high fat doesn�t mean anything unless you know what kind of fat and whetherthe fat is oxidized or not. dave asprey:��� it�s the same thingwith those animal proteins versus plant protein, rice and the nerve gas is a plant protein.spider venom�s an animal protein. those distinctions are irrelevant for nutritionalresearch. max lugavere:�� yeah, 100% and they shouldn�tbe. i think that nutrition scientists need to really do a study where they're givingmice olive oil instead of the soybean oil
that you're using to make broader recommendationon how much fat humans should consume. dave asprey:��� if you source the oliveoil, don�t go to the store and buy the cheapest olive oil there. if you do get an olive oil,you got to test what's in it because it said olive oil on the thing, but if you don�tknow what impurities and you don�t know that a lot of olive oil is cut with canola,what you're finding is in your nice, beautiful write up and with all your graphs, we sourcedxyz brand, generic olive oil, but we never tested even one sample to verify that it waswhat we thought it was. max lugavere:�� one these researchersget their rat chow from the same place, from manufacturers of rat food. it�s a very difficultthing. you have to read the research. actually,
one of my favorite papers is, it�s calledthe disease-modifying and neuroprotective effects of the ketogenic diet. dave asprey:��� i know this paper. max lugavere:�� it�s a great paper.it came out only a couple of years ago. it talks about the virtues of leading a high-fatdiet for � dave asprey:��� specific fat diets,right? not a high corn oil diet? max lugavere: it just says the value of beingin ketosis for � it begins with epilepsy. there's been a ton of research that showsthat it�s beneficial for patients with epilepsy, but then also the potential for alzheimer'sdisease, parkinson�s disease. that�s definitely
an important read, i think. dave asprey:��� at this point, whensomeone says, �there's no validity to diets with ketosis.� there's so much evidencethat you have to be specifically excluding massive amounts of data to fit your view ofthe world. i've worked on experiments with myself where i'm in ketosis for long periodsof time and didn�t have good outcomes. i also know, i've had lots of people on thepodcast who really do. they can do ketosis for two years straight without ever, everleaving ketosis and they're happy as clams. i've found for me that a cyclical ketosisdiet works, and after having talked with a lot of bulletproof followers over time, ifound that if you're on nutritional ketosis
all the time that quite often, it createsadrenal stress but not always. it depends on your metabolism. when you dip in and youdip out, it tends to cause the body to remain sensitive to insulin versus getting insulinresistant, which can happen when you're in a state of ketosis all the time. it�s likesurfing that line of ketosis provides the most energy for me. max lugavere:�� it�s like turning yourbody�s metabolism until i get a nest thermostat so that it can regulate itself because yourbody is the most advanced hybrid car in the universe. you don�t tell your prius whento switch from gas to electric and vice versa because the prius does it for you. well, socan your body. in fact, by not allowing your
body to do that, you're undermining incrediblegenetic capacities to rebuild, to protect. i just think it�s like, again, giving thepeople the tools to do that, to hack their own biology in that sense, i think is incrediblyempowering. dave asprey:��� we�re coming up onthe end of the show, but there's a couple of things that i'm going to do different becausewe�re here at bulletproof labs in the biohacking facility. first, i want to ask you the finalquestion here, and then i'm going to show people who are watching on video what it lookslike upstairs and we�ll save for another probably a full video where we do a tour ofwhat's going on downstairs. we kind of worked you over today. you're in the flow tank. weelectrically stimulated your muscles and we
put you in the hyperbaric chamber and allsorts of craziness. max lugavere:�� this is, by the way, itwas an incredible day and this is going to be on munchies which is a food vertical undervice which is an incredible publication and platform. you can find out when it goes liveby following me on twitter @maxlugavere. i'm sure dave � dave asprey:��� yeah, we�ll definitelypost the link to that. max lugavere:�� that would be awesome. dave asprey:��� the other thing is i'mgoing to turn the camera round so you're seeing the set, but i'm actually going to show youwhat the kitchen looks like because i've the
coolest orange refrigerator you�ve everseen. it�s made by a company called smeg. it actually matches the bulletproof colors,but it also looks like it was made in 1950, and it�s just awesome. i�ll just walkyou through real quick what this amazing kitchen looks like because you're going to get tosee a lot more of this because i'm going to start making recipes for the bulletproof cookbookthat�s coming up here. i'm actually going to show you as i'm cooking the food over thenext many months. that won�t be a part of bulletproof radio. it�ll be on our youtubechannel when you subscribe to that. i�ll just occasionally say, �look, this is whati'm having for dinner and i'm going to cook it.� max, the next time you're up here,i'm actually going to make you cook dinner
with me as well and we can put extra glutennot in the food. max lugavere:�� that�d be perfect. that�dbe awesome. dave asprey:��� given that, tell meif you have three recommendations for people who want to perform better, based on all theresearch you�ve done, all of the things you know in your life, and you want to performbetter for long periods of time, what are the three most important piece of advice youcould give them? max lugavere:�� definitely reduce, cutout sugar from your diets. eat a low carbohydrate diet. try the gluten free if you're not already.embrace helpful fats. the brain is desperate for good fat. good fat makes up your cellmembranes by consuming dha fat which is replete
in wild salmon, fish oil, and things likethat. you actually, you can also boost that neurotrophic factor in the brain, bdnf whichis so important. the second would be exercise. don�t be afraid to exercise and know thatby exercising, you are doing incredibly beneficial things for your brain health, things thatno known pharmaceutical on the planet has the power to do. dave asprey:��� that means we need morepharmaceuticals. the estrogen pill is coming. max lugavere:�� right. more pharmaceuticals.again, sleep i think is really important. i'm definitely guilty. i can't wait to getthe lens cover for my iphone. dave asprey:��� it�s called zen tech.
max lugavere:�� zen tech. dave asprey:��� yeah. it�s on thebulletproof website and bulletproof store, but i�ll send you one. max lugavere:�� that would be awesome.the blue light that emit from smartphones is pretty destructive. when you're sleeping,your brain is actually cleaning itself. dave asprey:��� by the way, apple, samsung,we�re watching you. why the hell is it not already built in to the operating system andwhy didn�t you just source leds that don�t do this to our bodies? this is on you andi�ll stop selling the zen tech shield when you start making iphones that don�t messwith people�s sleep. it�s not okay. you
know this. we�re watching you. max lugavere:�� thank you, no. i mean� dave asprey:��� it�s their fault.they know. max lugavere:�� it�s true. apple, comeon, please. take my money just reduce the blue light that comes from my smartphone atnight. dave asprey:��� i�ll pay more forless blue light. good idea. max lugavere:�� exactly. that's it. embracehelpful fats. be mindful of the food that you're eating, not in the meditative sortof sense, but in the idea that food is information. with olive oil, you're consuming polyphenolsthat are doing incredible things for your
brain health. again, don�t be afraid totinker, see how you feel. that�s it. i think those are pretty good roadmap. dave asprey:��� here's a bit of trivia.when you said embrace helpful fats, companies who have more than 15% of fat in the caloriesof a product are not allowed to label it healthy. if it�s fat saturated, it cannot be labeleda healthy fat according to current regulations even if there's a preponderance of evidencethat it�s healthy. people put labels on food. people who write about food who alsosell the food are not allowed to say something�s healthy even though it is. max lugavere:�� yeah, it�s preposterous.i feel like the furor around saturated fat
as a heart demon has long been debunked. cholesterolrecently was taken off of the usda�s nutrients of concern list. yeah. dave asprey:��� what about my egg whiteomelet? max lugavere:�� god, what's so mind blowingto me about that is that that happened three months ago that the usda finally came to theirsenses, but it wasn�t three months ago that cholesterol stopped being bad for your hearthealth. it�s never been bad for your heart health. dave asprey:��� unless it�s highlyoxidized when you eat it. spray dried egg yolks which they like to use in lab studiesare probably bad for your health.
max lugavere:�� yeah, or it becomes oxidizedin the body which is harmful. think about how many millions of americans have for decadesbeen trading eggs for a quick cook instant oats in the morning for their morning breakfast.to me, this is infuriating. i think that i've really decided that our mission is to helpdisseminate the truth about what we�re eating and how it affects our bodily health. oncewe become ill, it�s a lot harder to really make a difference. dave asprey:��� it is indeed and thanksfor your work. i'm really looking forward to seeing bread head when it comes out. it�sso much work to make a movie. the moldy movie that just came out, we�re recording thisa dozen days after it came out. it was two
years of really hard work. the budget wascertainly a little bit higher than the amount of money you�ve raised just in order tomake something that�s worth watching that tells a story that can cause behavior change. ��� you're in for an amazing thing todo, but the satisfaction of seeing it come out and getting those messages from peopleto say, like people � now, i know one of the bulletproof employees has mold in hishouse and just didn�t know it. he wasn�t involved in the documentary. when he saw thedocumentary, he was like, �i think we have to move,� like �i'm getting brain fogfor the first time in my life. what's going on?� that kind of thing. the same thingis going to happen when you launch bread head.
people are going to say, �i went off gluten.i added fat back to my diet and i got my brain back.� that�s an amazing gift to do forsomeone. max lugavere:�� yeah. i'm so excited.when you hear things like, �study confirms that non-celiac gluten sensitivity exists.the idea that 18 million americans are dealing with this non-celiac gluten sensitivity, it�sa vastly under diagnosed thing. the idea that millions of americans are consuming breadand then becoming depressed as a result of it, that are experiencing brain fog as a resultof it unwillingly thinking about their lives in a negative light because they consume bread,to me it�s insane while it�s also something that we need to do our best to make sure thatthis information spreads. to me, that�s
a terrible thing. where do we begin? there'sjust so much work to do, but i think that by continuing to spread this message thatfood is information, i think that�s how we can really make the biggest impact. dave asprey:��� it is indeed. thankyou, max for coming on bulletproof radio. what we�re going to do now is first, i'mgoing to remind you that the bulletproof conference is coming out in october at bulletproofconference.com.we�re going to talk a lot about brains this year. we�re going to talk of course aboutbiohacking in general, but you should go to bulletproofconference.com and check it outnow and you'll even get a better deal on your tickets because you're going to want to go.if you were there last year, if you're one
of the 500 other people who went, it completelyrocks and it�s like no other conference you�ve ever seen. ��� thanks for watching. have an awesome day. check out bulletproofconference.com.check out moldymovie.com. as always, have an awesome day. featured resources
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